From: Andrew Phelps <>


Subject: Re: [s-acc] integrity and "stage 2"

Date: Sat 12/22/12 06:49 PM



Thank you for this response.

On Sat, 12/22/12, Rtv wrote:

I am one who believes the only way for me to have ".. our people's individual integrity (.. being ..) fully engaged." is without the mental health system involved in our healing process.

That is surely the presenting problem. In 1968 I said, "DA DA" and tried to be myself in public. Eventually the mental health system intruded and worked to destroy my "life project."

A lot of what's raised here, is how to get the system to "behave" better. This fall, in Berkeley's Sit-Lie Measure S, the homeless people got 52.3% of the vote, and the Mayor and Chamber of Commerce only 47.7%. The measure was defeated and that made it harder for the mental health system to get involved in people's "healing process." And the "peer activists" played an important role in running an effective political campaign!

True peer involvement with healing is the only way for a meeting of individuals with the purpose to be mutual healing.

That's the practical level of things. However, here's a story at another psychological level. It was told me by the grandson of the psychologist in question. It deals with the social dynamic of "madness" in Russia.

Lev Vygotsky developed a radically different perspective on behavior, including the social class and cultural characteristics - a major fix on the present system of behavior management. When he died young (1934), Piotr Zinchenko helped to pull together the Kharkov School HERE where the alternative approach to "behavior management" was allowed to develop. When the Germans invaded, Piotr was drafted along with all men of his age; since he had a Ph.D. (in psychology!) he was put in the Engineers Corps. When the Russian soldiers had to cross the river, and a bridge was needed, he had to build the bridge - but he did not have the knowledge of how bridges are built!

The story goes on that in the pattern of his own "behavior" which would have been psychiatrically challenged in the usual circumstance, Piotr went ahead and DID build the bridge. The Russian soldiers DID cross the river. When we have the skills to "put in their place" the attitudes of the managers of behavior, they will be indeed perplexed. And such is the project which - I think - we need, in the last analysis, to engage.


ABO "Andrew Behavior Object"