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From: "'target' target@batstar.net"

To: psysr-disc@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [psysr-disc] 'Where Hell Is Other Patients'

Date: Wed, November 12, 2014 11:37 pm



My concern with your comment relates to language and phenomenology. "Mental illness" is a pseudo-scientific concoction. "Madness" is a term brought forward by Foucault which speaks to the feelings of being which may transcend the orderliness of culturally based behavior. That relates to a way of being that the Native Americans call the "beauty path." The term the client/survivor movement uses for excessive "rabid" activity is "rage." What you describe below are rage patterns that are problematic in important ways. I'm saying that compassion takes "madness" in a positive way, and such compassion is what is needed.

In Trieste where the "madness" model is employed, there are two basic "checks and balances." One is professional, where Basaglia trained the providers to be reflective about the social meaning of their "clinical gaze" based discriminatory behavior. The other relates to social behavior by the "mad," where the authorities have been trained to identify the phenomenology for what that is, to work meaningfully against violence starting from respect for the people involved.

On Wed, November 12, 2014 11:40 am, Ttt wrote:

We need to find ways to keep people out of the "Madness Machine" since they are lost in the system once they are labelled and drugged. I believe the word "mad" should be reserved for rabid animals. I know that people can catch rabies from an animal but I've never known one. It should not apply to people who are given a "mental health" label. It just adds to their victimization.

As above, "labelled and drugged" invokes "rage" behavior - those are real people and they have "madness." Their existential being, their feelings are real phenomena: Those explain rage, and yet do not justify violence. Acknowledging such works towards dignity, not towards victimization. Recognizing the kinds of social responsibility their situation(s) evoke gives a human capacity to what is otherwise a straight-out "victim" type social role.

No doubt what I'm saying may be said better. I surely do not wish to argue that you are not dealing with matters of serious concern.