Taksim Square Experience


From: Andrew Phelps <dis_course@yahoo.com>

To: psysr-humanrights@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: [PsySR-humanrights] FOIA suit reveals Guantánamo’s ‘indefinite detainees’

Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2013, 8:34 AM



The prevailing analytic is that the prisoners and guards scenario is difficult to manage and that the best thing is to "end the experiment prematurely." Maybe, my friends, that is not sufficient. Fixes like clinical attention to "shyness" and recognizing "heros" do not get to the heart of the problematic. For me, there is an issue of "bad psychology" because behavior management does not equate with social justice.


ABO "Andrew Behavior Object"



On Tue, 6/18/13, Pqr wrote:

Thanks for sending this Ooo:

Absurd rationale for keeping these men. How is that Americans are not upset?:

1. "Evidence against some of the indefinite detainees was too tainted by CIA or other interrogation torture or abuse to be admissible in a court"

2. "...insufficient evidence to prove an individual detainee had committed a crime;"

Any logic and humanity should recognize that either of these two reasons should NOT lead to indefinite detention. Either of these reasons should lead to the exact opposite. The US should give each one of these men several million dollars in compensation and allow them to live anywhere they choose in the U.S. under a type of protection program (like witness protection), with guards for life. The US should pay for their families to join them.

Then the third reason for indefinite is just [xxx].

3. "Military intelligence opinions that certain captives had undertaken suicide or other type of terrorist training, and had vowed to engage in an attack on release."

You can't hold people because some psychologists and psychiatrists predict they are dangerous. A person has to commit a crime to be punished under law, not have health professionals who are terrible at such predictions decide these people are "high risk." They are probably deemed high risk because they angered guards who abused them. These detainees should get the same restitution and protection as those who fall under reasons 1 and 2.

That then covers everyone. The indefinite detention in Guantanamo problem is solved, other than accountability for the crimes up until then committed by the U.S.